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Monday, 8 June 2026

World Cup 2026 Power Rankings

 World Cup 2026 power rankings


Instead of a group stage preview, here is a power ranking as they seem in vogue. My attempt to rank the 48 teams at the World Cup based on likelihood to win the Cup. Or do well. Or even advance in some cases. I like lists. Some teams suffer from being in bad groups, some teams suffer from being bad teams. I tried to be fair to everyone, and look forward to being proved utterly wrong within a fortnight! Onwards!

Tuesday, 12 June 2012

Euro 2012 roundtable #8: Predictions? What Predictions?



Being Parte the Third of the Epic European Championship Voyages Of Messrs Michael, Jon and Gav and assorted company.





Jon: So, the dominant team in world football, one of the great footballing nations in transition between eras, some easy on the eye entertainers from Eastern Europe and a team whose sole purpose in being at the Euros appears to be to give their fans a chance to sample foreign beers. Group C then…







Italy/Spain





Michael: Cards on the table first and foremost. I had vested interests in this one, with a long standing love of the Italian national team. Spain being the Euro roundtable correspondent Alan Kalders team, this was as close to a Euro roundtable derby as we’ll get at the Euros for now. Just wait till Wales v Scotland in the World Cup qualifiers, that’ll be a bunch of fun and games.




So Italy. I was a bit alone in that department as they have a bit of a reputation which precedes them. I had faith in Cesar Prandelli though, and he showed his bravery from the starting, going with a 3-5-2 formation against the rampant World Champions. What developed was a chess match, but unlike Portugals efforts, this was a proper match which made their efforts look like me trying to take on Kasparov!





The first half ended in stalemate, but, like Italy/Germany in the 2006 World Cup, it was brewing up to be a potentially great match, as both sides had chances but had been unable to take them. The second half started in the same ilk, and I grew more and more excited as Italy began to press further and further upfield. Then Balotelli, wonderfully disposed Spain and ran at the box. The wonderful run was quickly finished off with stupidity, though not of a violent nature, thankfully. Seemingly, he’d thought Pique would come to him and he could pass to Cassano. Pique held his ground, so, not knowing what to do, Mario just sort of stood there! Prandelli instantly took him off and replaced him with Di Natale, the man Prandelli had faced incredulity for picking in the Italian media. Within a minute, a crisp stunning through ball from Pirlo met Di Natale who thumped into the net. That’s how you do it, Mario, and more importantly, thats how to shut up critics over your team selection!





Unfortunately, that goal woke up Spain. Silva passed, Fabregas scored, I feared the worst. On come Fernando Torres, the man who is either past it or in a slump, depending on his individual critic. Having seen him produce a fine reaction goal against South Korea last week, I knew better than to count him out, and he swiftly started trying to give me a heart attack with at least five gilt edged chances over the course of twenty minutes. Thankfully, this was the Torres who couldn’t hit a barn door variation, but he was doing well to get into those situations. The commentary called for Llorente, and bemoaned the chances that Llorente could have scored, but that was to miss the point: the chances Torres made were not the sort Llorente would have, and vice versa. Maybe they can play off each other, I don’t know. As a great believer in the law of averages though, if Torres DOES keep creating these positions, one will succeed over the course of a tournament. He’s going to come up against less intelligent defences than he did today.






All that said, thank god he kept missing today! Buffon was a strong presence in goal, which is almost redundant now, as everyone knows his quality. He also showed the Poles how to deal with a one on one situation, heralding the ball out of play without so much as a foot wrong. Sadly, the commentary and online reaction to that seemed to be: “Hah! He’s made a hash of that!” much like it was when Lehmann punched the ball to his team mates to break forward instead of made a slapdash save for effect.





"Tonight I saw an Italy I had always dreamed of - a team where everyone helps each other out when in need. I am proud."
Buffon




De Rossi was a tower in defence. It’s funny with De Rossi. I never really think of him as being that good, but time and time again he produces stunning performances in big matches I watch. His progression from an infamously temperamental fool (we all remember his elbow on McBride in the World Cup, well, the Americans haven’t forgotten it!) to potentially world class star has been incredible. Here, he played in defence at late notice due to the injury of Barzagli, and produced a potential Man of the Match performance. Defence, midfield, a penchant for important goals: Italy are lucky to have him. And he’s only 28. By Italian standards, he hasn’t hit his peak yet.




It was interesting to see Nocerino on the pitch for a bit, as he was at one point touted as Pirlo’s successor. He now seems the stop gap between Pirlo and the emerging Verrati.




I enjoyed this game. It wasn’t the sterile game some feared it would be. It wasn’t the thumping I feared it would be either!




That was a relief in the end. Italy did well, then they scored and Spain woke up. Spain came into it more, equalised and looked the more dangerous team. Italy had 2 good chances for a second goal but couldn't take them.



Two good sides there going for it. In the end a draw was the right result. Could have been 3-3 easily with better luck.




"Spain is the strongest of them all and today proved it. But we were also good and the Spaniards met their match."
Buffon




That’s the kind of magnanimity I like. Mick Foley once said there’s not point calling your opponent shit, because then you’ll never look good: either you lose to shit, so what does that make you, or you win, but you only be supbar opposition. Some football managers might want to heed the wisdom in that. Here, Buffon states Spain are the strongest side in the world, heaping praise on the opposition, but also on his own team as they held up the pace with the best side in the world! It comes across far better than “You suck! We rule!” style.




“The result was a fair one. Our intention was to play the game, not just contain our opponents”
Cesar Prandelli







Jon: If you’re after pure excitement from your football, the sort provided by the thrash and dash of the Premier League, this was entirely the wrong match for you. The matches between the very best teams tend to be more cerebral affairs, chess matches of passing and probing, searching for chinks in the other team’s defence. It’s the matches featuring lesser teams that tend to be exciting due to their shortfalls and attempts to compensate for them. Spain took their ideal of possession over the vulgarity of goalscoring to its logical conclusion and followed Barca’s lead of playing without a striker, Fabregas playing the role his Barca teammate Messi usually plays. Prandelli matched it by playing three at the back and the anticipated chess match ensued, both teams seeking to control the centre of the board before striking. Brilliant for fans of possession football, dull for those who seek end to end excitement. Me? I could watch the likes of Pirlo, Xavi and Iniesta all day, the art of the pass all but perfected.





Balotelli astonished everyone by having a quiet game and at one point blowing a one on one with some niftily rapid deceleration allowing the chance to be smothered. But Michael’s footballing Jesus, Pirlo, provided a sublime assist for Balotelli’s replacement Di Natale. The old men still had it! Unfortunately they were sucker punched quickly with an equally sublime pass from Silva setting up Fabregas for an equaliser. They woke Spain up a little too early.




Torres came on and, whilst his finishing was as erratic as it’s always been outside his time under Benitez at Anfield, his pace and movement created all sorts of problems for the Italian defence, forcing Buffon into a Maldini/Agger style dispossession and adding the pace and directness missing from the pretty patterns of the first hour for Spain. Fascinating rather than exciting then, an honourable stalemate between two fine teams who’ll be satisfied with a point. Caveat - if both sides beat Ireland as expected it leaves them potentially vulnerable to going out if they have a bad day against a good Croatian team.






Gav:
So, in the earlier discussions I said “I’ve seen a lot of lovely football in Spain this season, but I do find myself wondering – can they do it without Lionel Messi?” and the answer is “no, not really”. They tried to play the false nine without a striker, what’s that called? The Emperor’s New Nine? Not sure really! Well, whatever you want to call it, Spain didn’t really seem to do much. Despite having 6 in midfield Italy looked very comfortable against them. Whenever Spain did find themselves breaking forward with the ball they didn’t really seem to know what to do with it.



In the second half Spain seemed to start trying to attempt more shots but really I was more impressed by Italy than Spain in this match. Maybe because I had higher expectation for Spain here.




“We played against a great Italy side that came to attack us, to press us, and they have players who can make the difference.”
Sergio Ramos






Alan Kalder: Basically, we played well. Italy also played well. Iniesta was out of this world. Del Bosque made a lot of choices that payed off--the Cesc-Silva hookup was obviously a key for us. The substitution of Torres is looked at positively by many--Torres created lots; just didn't finish it off--should have gone with a vaselina ("chip shot") in the endgame. I think Arbeloa was our weakest on defense; Jordi Alba is certainly promising. Would love to have had Puyol in there-we'd a beat 'em. Whatever Del Bosque does, he'll be criticized--obviously--, unless we win the whole ball of wax. He clearly thinks Torres is the answer in the long run; wants Torres to build confidence knowing Del Bosque believes in him. What better way to prove it than putting him in against Italy? That said, we could see Llorente or Negredo start vs Ireland.





Michael: See? Even the Spanish think the Italians played a good attacking game. Yet the C word still comes out over here. Bah!





"They are certainly not weaker than Spain. In some ways you could say they have more diversity to their play. We must remain at this level if we are to win. Italy are very much a team of my liking. I am really excited for the match."
Slaven Bilic


"Cesc did very well in that position. When Torres came on, the game was much more open. We had more chances to score, but they, too, lest we forget. Time will tell if this [the system] is good for us or not. We did a good job, it was a good effort. We are relatively satisfied with the result." Del Bosque







Croatia/Ireland




"It does not matter whether this is one of the best performances of this generation. We previously had good matches against England, Germany and Russia. The most important thing is that we played well. We outplayed them physically, tactically and psychologically.”
Slaven Bilic






Gav:
Estonia Republic of Ireland vs Croatia





I really enjoyed this match! Mandžukić scored before I’d even poured out my first beer! I think this match really highlighted how much better the tournament would have been had Estonia rightfully qualified in Ireland’s place.




For those of you who pay for the premium version of Michael’s blog – I’m terribly sorry you had to read my uncensored tirade of expletives in the group stage previews, though I’m sure you all agree with everything that I said there.




I’d just like to remind people that I also quite confidently said that Croatia would get out of this group. I know Ireland are soft opposition but Croatia are looking good for confirming my prediction.





Michael: For the premium version of this blog (like this, but with a government grant of several million purely to change the title) please send a cheque to my favourite charity, the Considered Aging Support Hospital, or C A S H if you prefer, to the following address...




Gav: Taking your humour from Rik Mayall now, really?





Michael: Have I ever not? NICHOLAS PARSONS!






Jon: *Paddington Bear stare*





Michael: Well, there’s a reference that will go over the heads of almost everyone who reads this. (“Mr Jolly Lives Next Door” for those wondering, is a comic TV play from the 1980s, involving but not limited to: gangsters, Nicholas Parsons, a serial killer, terrorists, Rik Mayal, escorts and drunk Japanese businessmen. Its hilarious, much like everything else that has Peter Cook in it. )






Jon: There must be more to life than stereotypes, as Damon Albarn once sang. This was a match to prove him wrong, Croatia passing their way around the Irish, gradually building pressure to force errors, and the Irish countering it with physical effort and a threat from set pieces. It’s been played out hundreds of times in Europe, British Isle teams being undone by sneaky, cunning foreigners.





Ireland’s defending was unusually sloppy for a Trapattoni team, Mandzukic being allowed to wander about the area at his leisure before popping up with a weak but well placed header. And there we were, all set up for Croatia’s neat, incisive passing to tear Ireland apart on the counter when Sean St Ledger popped up at the back post from – deep shock here – a free kick to equalise.




And then, as it has a tendency to do, history began to repeat itself. In this type of game it’s now happened so many times it’s far beyond comedy or tragedy.





Croatia imposed themselves and began to build pressure, Ireland never seeing enough of the ball to release it. In those circumstances Stephen Ward’s panicked attempt at clearing Modric’s shot just before halftime shouldn’t be seen as someone having a shocker but the inevitable result of a team’s tactics inviting pressure on itself. Eventually, no matter how good you are, someone will crack and much of this Irish team aren’t of a high enough standard to hold out under pressure that long. There was a question of offside on Jelavic from the initial shot, ultimately though Jelavic played to the whistle and asked questions later while the Irish desperately stuck their hands in the air in the despairing manner perfected by the Arsenal back four.





What should be down as a Given own goal but won’t be, a classic diving header into his own net after Mandzukic’s shot rebounded off the post, simply settled the pattern of the second half. Ireland can consider themselves unlucky with a penalty not given for Corluka’s challenge on - I doubt many Estonians were sympathising with the Irish getting the rough end of refereeing decisions – but ultimately they weren’t smart enough to unlock the Croatian defence. A fourth for Croatia looked far more likely than the Irish pulling one back.





It’s tough to see how Ireland are going to get anything from the tournament after this – their set pieces may trouble the less than gigantic Spanish but on this evidence the Spanish possession game will bamboozle them into submission over 90 minutes. Difficult to tell how good the Croatians are either – they’re certainly a good footballing side but what might as well have been a training ground exercise for them says nothing about how they’ll fare against Spain or Italy. 





Difficult to draw any overall conclusions as to who’s going through then, except to say that we’re safely able to rule out the Irish. If Trapattoni doesn’t have the personnel at his disposal to compete with Croatia it’s even more unlikely that they’ll compete with two of the three best technical sides seen so far in the competition. We should be in for plenty of entertainment from the remaining Croatian games though.




"Is this the best match of my life? I must thank the coach first because he gave me a chance to play and then I really played a good match. I scored twice but I also must thank my great team-mates."
Mandzukic







Michael: Speaking of thumpings. I predicted 3-0 for this one, but Ireland did get a goal from Sean St Ledger of all people. Let me repeat that. Sean St bloody Ledger of Leicester City, formerly of Preston Northend, scored in the European Championships. That’s just bizarre!




It was just a prelude to a thumping though. Mandzukic got the task underway two minutes in. Jelavic before half time, Mandzukic in the second half sealed the deal. I believe it was 2009 when I first pointed out Mandzukic as a future talent, promptly a week before he scored against Hearts in the UEFA Cup. Seeing him dazzle on an international stage made me feel very happy. It was like seeing Alexis Sanchez at the World Cup.



That’s me picked two Stars to Watch who came good in 10 years. Mandzukic and Sanchez. With that kind of success rate, I could be a Liverpool scout.





"They scored from a set piece but we were a much better team. We were far more creative. Yes they scored but we reacted very well."
Slaven Bilic





Michael: Modric had about thirty passes in the second half and only two miss his team mate. Jon suggested he was wasted in the English Premier League. He’s probably right. Jelavic hid on the pitch, and was forgotten until he scored, the sign of a class striker. I expected more from the likes of Aidan McGeady and Simon Cox, a few of the talents Ireland possess, but they were largely anonymous.




“We can get to the Final” said one Irish fan on ESPN before the match. You almost have to feel sorry for him.





Gav – No you don’t.






Michael – Heh. Speaking of ESPN, they stunned me with a thought provoking video with Shevchenko looking back on the infamous Death Match of 1942. For those who don’t know of it: Nazis arrange football match with local Kiev side as propaganda, order the Kiev lot to lose, they decide to win, you can guess the rest. There are a lot of myths and sensationalism around that match, but it seems fairly certain a good number of the players were murdered soon after. Not the kind of topic which is easy to cover, as you might imagine, yet they did an admirable job, so top marks to them.











Pirlo



Was magnificent. That is all.



Don’t believe me? Listen to the Special One.



“Spain failed to stop Pirlo, and when the latter plays comfortable he makes a lot of problems.”
Jose Mourinho



Yes, I am not beyond quoting Jose when it suits my purpose. Heh.




"I was surprised by Spain. They didn't have a striker, but sometimes they play like this. We played well. I would give us a seven [out of 10]. This match can give us a lot of confidence for our next games. [Cassano and Balotelli] played well. One was trying to find space, the other one proved his talent."
Pirlo on the game.



“Great assist from Pirlo, I think this is my best goal for the Azzurri.”
Di Natale




Prandelli


Italy's average age in the first eleven would be a lot lower if they didn't have Buffon and Pirlo, two genuine world class stars who are still producing. Prandelli's done well to bring in younger replacements to many of the tired 2010 faces, and even with Pirlo had him training with Nocerino (his immediate replacement) and Veratti (his potentially more spiritual successor time).


The big problem is who replaces Buffon?



They seem in better shape for the future and the World Cup than England are on current form though.





Jon – Point that out, though England’s age profile is no great virtue.Plus, if ever a country got the most from aging stars, its the Italians. 




Michael – Gerrards replacement is learning nothing from him for example France had similar problems from 1998 on, forcing Blanc to act from scratch. Prandelli went for a phase out, with younger folk learning from older heads. Balotelli from DI Natale, Nocerino from Pirlo and Verrati from Pirlo, and so on. 



Jon – Short termism has always been Englands problem. And lets face it, just who is Gerrards replacement.



Michael – Cleverleys the only person I can think of whose been brought through in who is similar, but hes had injuries and is not in the England set up. In terms of which, Gerrard only has 2-3 years left tops, it’s not going to be someone we don’t already know, by necessity. 



Jon – that’s 2-3 years at club level, not international either. Move Rooney back?



Michael – That would rely on Rooney becoming a more intelligent player and I have yet to see that in him.



Jon – Well Gerrard and Lampard were never overly intelligent, so no change there! Only smart English midfielder of recent years has been Scholes.



Michael – In two to three years, me and Rooney will be 29. That’s not planning for tomorrow. That’s a bandage. 




Jon – Particularly given Rooney started early so likely is already around his peak Strikers and attackers peak younger these days to my mind.


Michael – Depends when they get their chance. Pedro broke through at 22 so his peak will be c 27/28. Rooney 16, so about now. Etc.



Jon – Yep, thats more accurate actually. Rooney also played lots of football from 18 on after Moyes managed his early career well.





Catenaccio




Michael: It was funny to think of Catenaccio today. People still believe the Italians will perform it, though they haven’t in at least eight years now. Its got to the point where the Azzurri could win a match 10-0 and someone would bring up the C word. Italian football more often than not was focused on having a strong defence, but equally alongside a clinical striker and a fantastico playmaker in the centre. It is the latter two which bring the joy and verve to Italian sides, which make them so fascinating and hard to beat. The best defenders, Maldini for example, could set up attacks as well as stop them. Compare to attack minded England, who have bored millions at their last two World Cups. In that time period, Italy had five thrillers, and produced enough excitement to be memorable in their other matches. Heck, the least memorable of Italy’s ten World Cup matches in Germany and South Africa was the one they won 3-0, which also happened to be the only Italy match I can recall they had the backing of nearly 100% of everyone I knew, as they vanquished the winners of that match we dare not mention by name.




Converse this with Ireland, led by the last great proponent of Catenaccio style, Trappatoni. Yet his Ireland side, who depended on the braveheart qualities of Richard Dunne in the qualifiers, were undone by the simplest methods of catching defences out in the book. A decade ago, this would have been 1-0 Ireland. An aging Trappatoni still has the ability to inspire a team and manage better than men half his age, but the thin line between success and failure has started to narrow. Despite his football philosophy being opposite of mine, I have great respect for Trappatoni and his many achievements in football. It is a shame they might finish with his greatest assets in his heyday being exposed on the big stage in his twilight.





All Fur Coats and Nae Strikers



"It's not good to keep on passing between Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas without creating a big threat on Buffon's goal. Yes there was a big effort from Spanish midfielders but without a striker the team was sterile."
Jose Mourinho



Ah, Spain, with some many good midfielders. Who misses out? No one! Of course, tiki taka is nice to watch, but it needs a Messi or a Villa to be the beneficiary!



After all, Spain had six midfielders, but Italy had one Pirlo!





A Danish perspective on Group B



Keld: A great performance by the Danish side, who managed to beat a superior side without parking the bus. We did not defend in numbers most of the time; instead we managed to hold on to the ball well for several periods of the game. Not that we created a lot from that possession, but it helped us calm the game at critical times. This thing about keeping possession is a two-edged sword, however, and if William Kvist's mistake or Stephan Andersen's flagrant mispass to Robben had resulted in a goal, then we would all have criticized Olsen for insisting that we play this possession game.



Andersen, apart from the mispass, had a great game in goal, and especially the heroic double-save in the second half was fabulous. 



The defense did a fine job, and it must've been amazing for Simon Poulsen to revenge his tragi-comic own goal two years ago with a great performance and the decisive assist. 


Zimling recovered from a swollen toe to play, and was very important defensively and our best player when in possession. His central midfield colleagues, on the other hand, had tough games; Kvist had difficulties in containing the brilliant Wesley Sneijder, and Eriksen did not have many successful actions.


Rommedahl and Bendtner were both fairly quiet, while Krohn-Dehli was out best player. Quite amazing that a player from the ninth-best Danish team outshined superstars from the best clubs in the world. Maybe it helped us that both Krohn-Dehli and Rommedahl more or less stopped playing two months ago in Brøndby. When Brøndby couldn't really reach anything, the pair faked injuries or illnesses or simply did not make an effort on the pitch, and they were even allowed to join the national side before the last league match.



Of course, we could not have won this game without a couple of below-par performances from the Dutch. We must thank Robin van Persie, who has apparently been transformed from the Premier League top scorer to a player who could barely stay on his feet when finishing. Another thank you should be send to Arjen Robben, who several times completed his move towards the middle of the pitch that ended with thumbing the ball above the goal.



Naturally, Denmark is in a state of football euphoria after the win as many probably feared a repeat of EURO 2000 with three clear defeats and a 0-8 goal difference. Few fans have taken the trip, around 9.000 tickets have been sold to Danes for the first three games combined, but some have now changed their mind now and will try to access a last-minute ticket, although I guess it will be hard.



Our chances look good now, and we are fairly confident as we have beaten Portugal in our two latest qualifications. They did look good against Germany when forced to attack, but that must mean that they will have to loosen their iron defense.









England v France 







The English, for once, are approaching this European Championship with something approaching humility and it might well serve them if they were to win this first important game. Physically the French are in better shape, though, and haven’t had the injuries, and suspensions of the English team.The coach has had sufficient time to gel his team together, and so I must give slight edge to the French. But it’s very close, and as both teams have very talented players it should be an excellent game."
Diego Maradona





"I wanted Harry Redknapp, like about 80 per cent of the English public. But Hodgson is there now and we're all going to get behind him. "It kills me to say it, but England will struggle to get out of this group. France will win the group. England will have a fight to finish second.”
Robbie Fowler (will be as good a pundit as he was player in his second Liverpool spell?)





Jon:

Those thoughts on Ireland-Croatia? Rinse and repeat, except for the British Isle team having a decent keeper and the continental types being blunt up front. 



This was a game, in the words of Happy Thom Yorke, of no alarms and no surprises. England? 4-4-2 and score off a set piece. Two banks for four, solid, deep and narrow and if in any doubt hoof it up for the forwards to chase. Possession’s something those crazy foreign madmen do, it’s dreadfully un-British to descend to their levels of cunning. It’s a fairly typical Hodgson tactic, but it’s one which served Chelsea well in the Champions League this year. However, with all due respect to Welbeck, who worked his behind off, without Rooney England don’t possess a forward of the calibre of Drogba so England lack the invention to create many chances – this game actually saw them create their least chances in any European Championship finals game since the format of a summer tournament was adopted in 1980. Watching England promises to be attritional stuff, possession happily ceded, few chances created but few given away either. It’s the English game reduced to its old fashioned basics. Given this seems a limited team, maybe it’s the right approach then. 



France? Pretty, pretty patterns in front of the England back four and aside from Nasri’s dart forward and pinpoint finish, not too much threat on Hart’s goal. After a lively first half Nasri and Ribery were becalmed in the second, seeking the chinks in the English armour in vain. 



With the result in the other game this means that the third game in the group will likely be decisive for both teams in deciding who goes through – the selections of M’Vila and Rooney in the squad, despite their initial absences therefore looks justified already.







Michael: Ah, the big game. Zzzzzzzzz.



Bit unfair, I admit.



This was technically the worst match of the tournament by far. This is a great testament to Roy Hodgson, whose tactics in neutralising the threat of France were almost completely spot on, and but for a minute where England fell asleep, would have produced a deserved win. Tiki taka clearly works, it hypnotised the English. Nothing else can explain Nasris speculative shot going into the net.





Englands opener a few minutes earlier was straight out of the England v France Euro 2004 playbook, just substitute Steven Gerrard for David Beckham and Joleon Lescott for Frank Lampard. France played lots of passes about the place, but never seemed to come close to an equaliser, and in the second half I nearly dropped asleep. French openers have a tendency to be dull affairs, ever since their last England game in fact! This one had goals but very little else. The problem England had was they were able to neutralise the opposition but had little clinical edge of their own. In this regard, a certain Mr Rooney was desperately needed. A Swedish win in the next round would set the cat among the pigeons for sure, but if they keep to this game plan, they ought to get a draw at least, which might be good enough to qualify for the last 8 with a win over the co-hosts, who might even be qualified by that point.





As for France, I remain unconvinced by them. They’ll have to improve to get out of the group. They still look like a team that can be got at, and Evra in particular looks like hes playing through anesthetic.





Gav: I liked what I saw from England in the first half of this game. I think it was a great decision of Hodgson’s to put Oxlade Chamberlain into the starting line up. I find it quite interesting that when Walcott was first picked for his major tournament a lot of people really questioned the decision but I feel less people have questioned Chamberlain’s callup. I think that’s a definite sign of his quality.




Anyway, it was a good match, England played well and were unlucky to concede the goal they did. England looked quite nervous in the second half but I am encouraged by what I saw in general.







Michael: It is nice to have an England supporter doing these, lest the Celtic boys (that Wales and Scotland, not the Old Firm) get accused of something akin to bias. I quite like Welbeck and Ashley Young (whisper it round these parts though) and Roy as a manager. If they managed to stop being dull for ten seconds they’d be almost bearable. 


ITV were rubbish incidentally. Jamie Carragher managed to make the same point about Oxlade-Chamberlain three times in one sentence, that he must have impressed in training. Reference was made to Roy Hodgson’s short international career: “two games, two wins”. My history tells me his international career has been slightly longer than that. Their start – “Good afternoon England fans and those who liking watching us suffer” – immediately cast them in the wrong shade, as being neither, I felt left out of proceedings. Being able to switch over to BBC right after the game showed best the gulf in class between the two providers. Heck, ITV have been 3rd best this tournament, as ESPN have wiped the floor with them in the US. I thought ESPN’s balding spectacled excited Irish pundit, whose name escaped me, was going to pick a fight with the rest of his team at half time during the Ireland match! The BBC have shown countless wonderful short vignettes on history and culture, and we’re only into day 4. ITV, on the other hand, have shown the great adage of quality over quantity is most definetly true.






Sweden v Ukraine 





Michael: So last night I was quite grumpy about this result, but have slept off most of the resulting depression and lets see if we can cover it in sensible terms.





Swedens tactics were spot on for the first fifty minutes or so of the match. The only problem is a match is ninety. In the first half, they said “Come and have a shot” at the Ukraine, who then showed some spectacularly toothless attempts at goal. Sweden were doing well to soak up the pressure, and had a few chances. It did look like a Ukrainian lamb had walked into the lions den however, and sure enough, shortly after the break, Sweden scored through Ibrahimovic. So far everything had gone to plan.





Then Ukraine equalised. Through the oldest man in the universe, Shevchenko. And Ukraine found new life, roared on by a massive home support. They found their winner, and though they were fortunate to hold on to it, Sweden proving profligacy in front of goal at crucial moments is not purely a Dutch curse, you’d have to say over all the co-hosts deserved their win.




It was of slight nuisance for me to see the man Toivonen, who had been sensational every time I’d seen him play before, pick the single worst time to have his worst performance in a year, and make me look like a right fool. He did well to keep the ball in play for Sweden’s opener, but did little of note in the rest of the match, and was replaced by Anders Svensson. Ibrahimovic looked lively, and could have had two but for the post. Rosenborg hasn’t scored for his country in years, and looked like a man with the confidence of someone who hasn’t scored for his country in years. Ruining good build up, wasting shots, its difficult to see how much worse the seemingly injured Gudietti could have performed in his place. The worrying thing in the build up was how negative the Swedish press seemed to be about the team: criticising team selections and talking of strife in the team, generally acting like the English media. I can think of no lower insult. The worry is they listen to this bad publicity, as their efforts in the first fifty minutes, and in searching for an equaliser, showed they weren’t a bad side by any means, and they could trouble England and France if they keep a positive frame of mind.





As for Ukraine, well, given I am always first to be smug about times I am correct, I am afraid I must eat humble pie here, much to the delight of the Ukrainians reading this, no doubt. I did underestimate the Ukrainian side, which seemed on paper the weakest of the four teams. I didn’t properly account for home support, the intelligent behind aging legs, and a general will to win. I still don’t think they are that hot a side, but those three things above can serve well when a side is at by half a tournament too early and a tournament too late. The result sets the cat among the pigeons. It is terrible for the French and English too, as a Ukraine win against either qualifies the co-hosts at the expense of one of the giants. Perhaps both if Sweden decide to take part in the scoring part of football. One can dream.





I think what Ukraine showed more than anything was, if you’ll excuse a throwback to cheap cliché, that is not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. Good old Mark Twain. Ukraine look to have a fighting spirit as strong as anyone in the Euros, so it will be as tough to beat them as it would a team of world class quality. Underestimate them at your peril.





I enjoyed this game even if the result went against me. A class example of trap football in Part 1, a stirring fight back in Part 2. It had more to it than a certain match with bigger players on a previous day.



“I think it’s really hard to play with such nerves, I must say that the Swedish team is a really good and it is very hard to play against them, we knew everything about them, but I really think that they will be a tough opponent for the next opponents in our group.”
Blokhin





Gav:
As I type this Ukraine are beating Sweden 2-1 thanks to a brace from aging talisman chappy Shevchenko. I’m really pleased he scored (twice) – I always felt kind of sorry for him when he joined Chelsea. Read into that however you want! :D




Unfortunately Anders Svensson has not been able to turn this game around, despite being a proper Saints hero, unlike Thomas “The Pretender” Pekhart. Elmander just missed a really good chance. I have just decided that I’d like to see Ukraine go far in the tournament because when I met with people from Kiev none of them seemed that interested in the football – I think they need a bit of excitement!




I’ll just run this report down near the corner flag while I wait for the game to finish. I wouldn’t want to email this off to Michael only for his prediction of 3-2 to come true at the last minute!




What else can I say while I’m winding the clock down? Hmm. Melberg has a cool beard. Not enough footballers have beards. Oh, there goes the final whistle. Well done Ukraine! Host factor + Shevchenko = good win!




Michael: Now I know who to blame! If Gav HAD sent this, Sweden would have equalised! Hah.




"It feels strange, as it seemed like some players were too affected by the occasion. We did not perform at the level that we are capable of. We did not play as a team. Five or six of our players were far from their best.”
Eric Hamren





Jon: The old man still has it then!





This game looked to be going absolutely to plan for Sweden for nearly an hour. They drew the sting from the Ukrainian attack, calming the crowd a little. Voronin in particular tested and probed but without any great effect. Ibrahimovic and Konoplyanka missed good chances to give their sides a halftime lead. And ten minutes after halftime the Swedish gameplan seemed to be paying off as Ibrahimovic put them ahead. Thing is about great players though, even when the gas in their tank has run low they’re capable of turning games. Shevchenko’s pace might be long gone, but the brain remains as sharp as ever and intelligent movement to get across his marker not once but twice resulted in two fine headers to turn the Swedish gameplan on its head. Sweden had their chances, Elmander in particular being guilty of a horrendous miss, but frankly no-one in the Ukraine will care. 



Sweden looked the more accomplished side, passing and movement generally being superior to their opponent. Ibrahimovic did enough to suggest he’ll be more of a test for England than the English media might make out. They disappointed though, not producing the football that had seen them qualify so stylishly. Ukraine certainly didn’t look the equals of Sweden, nor even perhaps of France, but the edge home advantage gives them shouldn’t be underestimated. Once Shevchenko had given them a moment to remember they seemed to play as much a part as the players in willing their team on to victory. England have to venture into the lion’s den in Kiev with qualification for the knockout stages on the line. If Shevchenko’s legs hold out, you wouldn’t put money on them getting a result. 




As a pair of results it sets up Group D fascinatingly. Can this limited England find a way to take three points? Will Sweden be so profligate again? Can France find an end product for their clever, intricate play? And can the Ukraine repeat the upset? Three points against France would suddenly make three nations who must have fancied their chances of going through very nervous indeed.






Group A today




Jon: Back to Group A tomorrow then. Greece surely need to seize their chance against the Czech Republic and Russia have the chance to be the first side through to the knockout stages. I’m quite confident that my picks to go through won’t be letting me down tomorrow.





Pawel: Russia has made a great impression by their fine performance against the Czech Republic. The general thinking is that we cannot win today's match and if we are lucky, there will be a draw. And apparently quite a lot of people believe in a draw. 


The Czechs will have a huge support from the Polish fans today as their win over Greece is important for us.
There will probably be some changes in the Polish squad - Obraniak and Rybus were criticized and it seems that Dudka will replace one of them. Dudka is a universal player who can play at almost any position at the pitch. However, he is known for making occasional mistakes that results in losing a goal. The most famous example is his mistake in the last minute against Germany at the World Cup in 2006, when we finally lost 0:1. 


However, the main subject in media is now concerned with Russian supporters. They are generally considered a problem. As far as I know they want to celebrate the Russian national holiday today and many Poles are against it. Well, we'll see what will happen. 


Sport events involving Poland and Russia have always been special ones. This one is not different.
I will be at the stadium during the match. I hope it will be an exciting trip. Well, I'm sure, it will.




Michael – On behalf of all of us here, enjoy!






"We will try to win. If we can't do this, then we will try not to lose. That is an outcome that we must avoid. That doesn't mean we'll play for draw. We will do everything to win the game."
Fernando Santos, Greek manager



"We felt the disappointment immediately afterwards, for sure. We did not succeed in any way in that first match, but we know we have another 180 minutes to play to allow us to qualify for the quarter-finals. So we're determined to do just that." Petr Cech

"I guarantee that we will battle for 90 minutes. It will be a match of a very high tempo."
Smuda

"This match is now the most important match in this tournament for us. We have some respect for Russia but we are well prepared. No one is resigned [to defeat] because we have not lost."
Blaszczykowski



“"To say the truth, I remember it, the 2004 semi-final, but it's not a revenge. I still feel sorry about it though. Both teams have changed a lot since then, but for me it's not a matter of revenge. That's the past and this is today and tomorrow's game is another match we have to win.”
Rosicky



Michael: I remember the 2004 match well, I was heartbroken.







Enjoy Group A everyone!




Next time we speak, one of Holland or Portugal could be gone from the Euros.










(All quotes come from Goal.com)



Sunday, 10 June 2012

Euro 2012 roundtable #7: Groups of Rather Quite Difficult Nature



(Todays article is dedicated to the memory of Manuel Preciado, former Sporting Gijon and Villarreal boss, who died this week aged 54 from a heart attack. Much loved in Spain, and seemingly about to gain more followers in the Yellow Submarine job, condolences and best wishes at this time extend from all of us to his friends, family and fans.)



Opening Ceremony



“Nice touch having a Chopin prelude during the Prelude!”
The man they call WSK




Michael: The opening ceremony is a weird affliction of tournaments. A stadium full of people watching painted dancers on trampolines thinking: “Hurry up and bring on the football!” Perhaps heeding this, the Polish kept their opening ceremony short and sweet. It even had a glimpse of Chopin, to make it easily the classiest one in a while. And almost certainly the classiest this year, if rumours of James Bond saving the Olympic Torch in London are true! No exploding vegetables or grasshoppers on stilts this year (fourteen years on, I still haven’t a clue what they were meant to symbolise). Just some nice choreography, nice music, and then all over for the football before people get tense. A success, I say!




Jon: If there was ever an argument against clichéd thinking it’s the opening day of the 2012 Euros. Those old communist countries are bound to be dull, grey settings for dull, grey football. And that opening match? According to the FIFA rankings the worst side in the tournament against a side not exactly renowned for embracing the beautiful game. Nailed on 0-0, both sides too nervous to lose their first game to go forward. Or would the Greeks set the tone for the tournament as they had in Euro 2004 by flattening the atmosphere by beating the hosts?






Poland v Greece




“Tell them to delay kick off, I’m still out!”
Gav, the man who ‘brings the style like Huggy Bear’.




“Ah, sweet sweet football.”
Jon




Michael: Ah, the opening match. I’ll be honest, we’ve been half dreading this one as much as looking forward to it. Opening matches are a mixed affair on the whole. For every Germany/Costa Rica goalfest or Argentina/France losing to Cameroon/Senegal shocker, there’s a Germany/Bolivia or Switzerland/Czech Republic. Tense, rather dull chess games, with two sides overcome by the occasion. Add to that a Polish side who had never won a European Championship finals match in their history, and a Greek side renowned for their defensive abilities over their striking capabilities, and we seemed set for another typical opening contest. A bore draw. We did get the draw.



Boring was another matter though. Poland attacked from the off, and the Greeks struggled to contain a hurricane of pressure in their goal area. It was only a matter of time, it seemed, and Poland could have had three chances before Lewandowski scored the opening goal. Poland continued to dominate, with Polanski missing a good chance, Perquis another. His scuffed shot seemed like a pivotal moment, but before the wheels turned, they nearly fell off completely for the Greeks.



First, Avraam Papadopoulos went down with an injury and had to be taken off. He has since been diagnosed with torn knee ligaments and could be out for well over seven months, a harsh blow for any footballer. It was a massive blow for Greece too, especially with what was to follow. Sokratis Papastathopoulos, much loved on Gallifrey Base due to having the Greekest sounding name around (if you’ve allow the knowing glance of ethnocentricism rearing its ugly head) was a bit of a silly boy. The referee was harsh too, to show both yellow cards in quick succession. Sokratis ought to have known that if a referee will give a soft yellow a few minutes earlier, the last thing you want to do is to make a daft foul in front of him while it is still in his mind. Marco Materazzi made the same error a number of years ago in a Champions League match against Liverpool. Papastathopoulos also seemed a bit edgy, having earlier not gotten close enough to block Lewandowski for his goal. Whatever his reasons, and the referees, Greece had suddenly lost both their strongest defenders.



It seemed Poland were destined to make history, and Match of the Day pundits even pointed it out. It must have been a jinx, as one team came out firing in the second half, and it wasn’t the hosts.




“We wanted the win and went into the game determined to fight for it. But at the beginning we failed to find the answers for Polands questions.” Fernando Santos, Greece manager



“I want to congratulate Mr Santos, who gathered the players at the interval and presented a different team at the second half.” Sofoklis Pilavios, Greek Football Association President




Michael: The different team came out all guns blazing, and it was Dimitris Salpingidis who was the pivotal man. Alongside Georgiadis, he had torn Tottenham to bits at White Hart Lane in the Europa League in November, and had scored in the World Cup. Here, less than five minutes after coming on, he rifled an equaliser past the hapless Wojciech Szczesny, who was culpable for the goal. The talented goalkeeper had come out too far and was helpless as the Greeks slotted the ball past him. Moments like that test the mettle of young players, and sadly it seemed to unsettle the Pole, for his second error was even more ghastly. Salpingidis, a whirling dervish against the Polish defence, was clean through in the box when Szczesny took him down. A straight red card for the Arsenal goalkeeper.




“Trust my favourite player in the entire tournament to get sent off in the first game” mourned Brentford Chris, and I could have offered sympathy, but instead laughed. Tyton, the second Polish goalkeeper had to come on, and his first act was to face down a Karagounis penalty. Not many tougher auditions! Thankfully for the Poles, they had a Titan in goal, as his first act was to save the penalty of the Greek captain! It was too low, but the keeper went the right way. That seemed to bouy the Poles, and from then on, both sides went tooth and nail for the late winner, but it was never to arrive.



Red cards, goals, missed penalty, missed chances, refereeing issues, super substitutions. I asked before the tie if this would be our Switzerland/Ukraine. It was on a completely different planet to that tie, and I humble apologise for the slander to the Polish and Greek teams.




The Greeks had a verve to their side I hadn’t seen since 2004, and the Poles a fighting spirit, both of which could be crucial in this group. It’s not over by a long run.





“We had good chances in the first half but we could not score the important second goal – there was a lack of concentration and coolness. We must show the performance from the first half in the whole game against Russia.” Lewandowski



“In the second half we wanted to keep the ball longer, which ended in us losing it.” Jakub Blaszczykowski, Polish captain




Gav:
This was a great start to the tournament. I was very heartened to see that my “player to watch” scored for Poland within the first 15 minutes. I thought that Poland were beginning to live up to my expectations when Greece were reduced to 10 men. The refereeing seemed somewhat harsh, but then if you really want an example of harsh refereeing then look no further than the history of a Mr Viktor Kassai.




After Pastapapolis got sent off I thought it would be a bit of a rout, after all Lewandowski had already scored one, surely another 2 were on the cards? Turns out it wasn’t to be. Greece managed to get back into the game and even scored while they were a man down. Eventually The One and Only Wojciech Chesney gave away a penalty and got sent off for going for a player when the ball would have sufficed.




Amazingly Greece failed to score and ended the game 1 goal each and 10 players each. Fantastic start to the tournament! Certainly no Switzerland Ukraine.





“It felt like a dream. Thank God I saved the penalty!”
Przemyslaw Tyton, Polish hero



“We managed to turn the game around after we had our backs to the wall.”
Dimitris Salpingidis, Greek super sub




Jon: Both sides will be disappointed and yet relieved with a point from the opening game. Poland will be ruing their missed chances in a dominant first half, Piszczeck and Blaszczycowski tormenting the Greek left back Holebas like two school bullies picking on a lonely outsider, and not taking advantage of Papastathopoulos' red card. Greece will he happy that they escaped that first half where they were on the verge of falling apart and regrouped to earn a point with a textbook example of how to play with ten men. Yet they'll regret missing their own chances in the second half, including Karagounis being denied by the Polish sub keeper Tyton.



Poland's Dortmund trio lived up to their billing and are surely vital if they are to progress from the group, Lewandowski looking dangerous and clever about drawing fouls. For the Greeks the promising Ninis disappointed, being hauled off at halftime having seen nothing of the ball. Neither keeper impressed and both defences looked vulnerable (though having lost one first choice centre half to a red and the other to injury before halftime the Greeks can be excused). On this showing neither side look a tournament winning side but Poland promise to entertain and the Greeks will fancy their chances of progressing to the knockout stages after their being in the ropes and the Czech showing against Russia.


Carlos Velasco Carballo's two yellows to Papastathoulos might have seemed harsh but were only consistent with his card happy approach in La Liga.



Managerially Bentos impressed by not panicking at halftime, setting Greece up to be solid after a poor first half and making an inspired sub in brining Salpigidis on, who turned the game. Smuda might be disappointed in himself after blowing a situation of being both a goal and a man up.





“I’ts not a small thing to come to Poland, with a good home crowd and to get this result after losing a man. The goal gave us a lot of confidence and I think what happened tonight will help us in the next matches.”
Giorgos Karagounis, Greek captain



“I believe in this team.”
Smuda, Polish manager



“Two more goals than I expected from these teams. And by that, I mean ‘in the tournament.’”
Jon





Pawel: I am quite exhausted after the yesterday's Polish performance. They were good in the first half. They should have scored at least one goal more (Polanski had a clear opportunity to do so). As they didn't, they failed to win. The second half was a disaster and we were really very lucky to get one point.



Russia has made a great impression by humiliating the Czechs. However, it is not my type for a champion. Russia can be stopped by a clever team with a good defence. It seems that allowing Russians to counter attack is suicide! I liked the match - both teams played quick football and it was nice to watch. Dzagoev is a rising star - I expected him to be an outstanding player in this tournament. He is very dangerous.



It seems that Poland has no chance against so Russians playing so well. However, I believe Poland will play better (even in the second half) than yesterday and who knows? The hope dies as the last.



The positive thing is that we didn't lose our first game, which we had done in 2002, 2006 and 2008. And we hadn't scored a single goal in an opener since 1974! Until yesterday.



When I was a lad, Poland was really good in football. I was too young in 1974, so it was in 1978 when I watched my first world cup. And in 1982 I was completely crazy when we finished third. And then a long time of misery started.



Michael’s Note – While changing the tenses (there are only three in Polish, I’ve learnt), I kept the phrase “The hope dies as the last”, as I felt that was a wonderful way of expressing something in the heart of all football fans.


‘Well, if this is how the poorer teams play’
Kevin Farrell



“If you think about it, Chesney is a hero as he saved his country. If he hadn’t made that foul, Salpingidis would have scored!”
Brentford Chris, thinking on the bright side of the street.





RedCardAMania



“The Polish lad was slipping but [foolish] to help him down. BBC punditry is shite, denouncing not analysing.”
Jon




Michael: The talking point in the opening match was the performance of the referee in two crucial moments, those being the two red cards handed out to Sokratis and ‘Chesney’. The second was a red naturally, and the keeper had no complaints. The first was more contentious. More lenient referees would have let it go, a foolish fumble rather than any malicious attempt at a foul, but the referee Carballo has a reputation for red cards in La Liga, so it was daft to give him the chance to dish them out, especially on a bigger stage.



Gav picked two red cards for the whole tournament, both Balotelli, so he’s already ahead of schedule here!





Gav: I'm glad to see that I was right about there being 2 red cards in this years tournament.





“We have to move on though. Whatever happened, happened. We can’t change anything now.”
Sofoklis Plavios






Dzagoev



Michael: Two goals, terrorised the Czech defence all day. The lad picked to be Russias man to match by several of our correspondents did well here!

As did Arshavin, free from the Arsenal Virus, and FK Zenit in general!





Russia v Czech Republic




“Czechs need Pekhart”
Gav 







Michae: Russia were picked by some as darkhorses for this tournament. They started against a Czech side who were a shadow of their former glories, but who, in such a weak group on paper, had every chance of success. What followed was lambs to the slaughter. Russia scored four times, sandwiching a lowly Pilar goal for the Czechs, and it could have been more if the Russians had stayed focused in the second half. Instead they let the Czechs back into the game for long periods, and that, coupled with lousy finishing from Kerzakhov, kept the score at 2-1 till late on. But when they did score, it felt like the Russians were fed up and swatted the pests, basically. Russia looked good, but did they look like Champions? It’ll be hard to tell till they meet a better side in the Quarters. 







“They poked the Russian bear once too often, now they are getting mauled.”
Jon 






“The trophies will be given out at the end of the tournament. We played well but not for the whole game. So I saw enough things we can do better. We’re happy, but we’ll be really happy when we reach the next round.”
Dick Advocaat, Russian manager, urging caution.






Jon: Trumpet blowing time - the player I picked as the one to watch for Russia came up trumps with a couple of goals. Dzagoev has so much experience and quality at such an early age he's got every opportunity of becoming Russia's first real footballing superstar since the days of Lobanovskyi. An absolutely dominant performance from Russia, largely nullifying what looks like a blunt Czech attack. If Kerzhakov had been on form it could have been so much worse for the Czechs as he sprayed some very good chances in every direction but goalwards. Advocaat's Russia produced the first great team performance of this championship with a combination of intelligent passing and movement, Arshavin and Shirokov too clever for the bemused Czech defensive unit. As for the Czechs, some god build up play was betrayed by a lack of invention in the final third. Highlight of the game had to be Shirokov's goal, Russia's second. A pass with the accuracy and incisiveness of a laser combined with a finish as cool as The Siberian winter.



In summary, Russia look the class of the group with Greece's having rescued a point from a dire situation giving them a slight advantage in the short qualification sprint.





“Being two-nil down at half time we couldn't cope with counter attacks for the rest of the game. In our next matches we will show how good we are.”
Rosicky







Gav:
Where do I begin? Firstly it’s pretty damn obvious that Czech manager Michal Bílek does not read Michael’s blog. Had he read the blog he would know that Pekhart should have started alongside Baros. This didn’t happen, and so Russia won 4-1.

Russia were bloody good. They played some really exciting football, let’s hope they keep it up. If they play like that all the way through to the end I wouldn’t mind them lifting the trophy.





“We wanted to get back into the game but as soon as we lost our breath they scored two more. They hit us.”
Pilar, the Czech goalscorer





Ronaldo


“If there is a penalty [against Germany] I will take it.”


Go on, miss.



“I am confident we will have a good game.”


Go on, miss.




“Coach Paulo Bento has arguably one of the weakest sides in this tournament. Ronaldo is the only actual threat. If the Germans can stop Ronaldo, marking him with two or three players, they can also stop Portugal's only offensive threat.”
Diego Maradona.



Go on, Cristiano, miss!



Ahem.



(UPDATE – There was no penalties. He didn’t score anyway.)




(SECOND UPDATE - He also claims it was unfair for Portugal to lose. Hehehe.)







Jon: So, the Group of Death, every side here in the world’s top ten. And the Danes aren’t officially the worst side here…





Danish Defence



"I'm standing here a little bit speechless, because these three points were very important. It's not over, though, there are two more matches to come."
Mark Van Bommel





Michael: It was brilliant. It needed to be with all the chances Holland were getting in the match, around thirty or so. Daniel Agger showed glimpses of Maldini at his peak, easily dispossessing the Dutch attack in the box without tackling. That large cheer you heard at that one was Jon marking out! Jacobsen was equally brilliant, and was rightfully cheered loudly for keeping the ball in play late on. The Dutch defence in contrast was weak. Time and time again, Krohn Dehli made them look ordinary as he out thought them. Only Danish profligacy denied them a bigger margin of victory, though not a patch on the same of the Dutch at the other end.





As for the Dutch, well, if you don’t get the ball on target that often in thirty shots, you get all you deserve.






Jon: There are those of us who like to believe in the rule of karma, reaping what you sow. Karma gets you sooner or later, and this looks like the Dutch punishment for their surly display in the last World Cup final.





Michael: I certainly do. Football karma rules the world. It’s just that people believe things level themselves out over the course of a season. I don’t. I believe things equal themselves over the course of a century. So countries go through long periods of success than low periods and vice versa. A disputed call against a country always comes back to haunt a team at a later point. (Case in point, “goals” in England/Germany matches!) Every thing reverts at some point, even Jimmy Calderwood’s Dunfermline side managed to beat Rangers eventually.




Jon: The Danes hadn’t beaten the Netherlands since Cruyff and Michaels revolutionised Dutch football. They picked a pretty damn good time to break that run with what’s almost a classic underdog victory. I mentioned that the Dutch has an embarrassment of riches up front and the thing about being rich and not knowing quite what to do with it is that it often induces what, to mere mortals, looks like profligacy. The Dutch dominated in terms of possession and chances, particularly in the first twenty minutes or so of either half but kept carelessly spurning them. By contrast Krohn Dehli’s assured finish, dummying Heitinga before calmly sliding the ball through Steklenberg’s legs showed them how it was done. They may bemoan a late penalty shout being turned down but fortune favours those who help themselves. Van Persie in particular failed to carry his club form through. That said, full credit should also be given to the Danish defensive unit, Qvist, Agger and Jacobsen all outstanding in denying Holland any real sustained pressure as the game wore on. Agger demonstrated why Liverpool fans reckon him to be one of the world’s best centre halves, authoritative and unruffled and including one beautiful dispossession in a Maldini/Bobby Moore style that Michael will no doubt be raving about at length.





Michael: It was so great no one else is raving about it! I don’t even have it on YouTube to show folk. Instead, here is another lovely dispossession in the 2005 Champions League final.





Jon: As for my other men to watch – Eriksen’s youth showed here with him being muscled out of the game and Afellay was part of an effective looking Dutch attack that lacked only a finishing touch.






Gav: Michael said: “So, this group is a banker Danish victory, isn't it?”



And I, tongue firmly in cheek, said “You said it...”



Well... I’m currently doing this write-up while the Germany vs Portugal game is heading into the 65th minute. At 0-0. Which means, by my rough calculations, that Denmark are currently leading the group. Which brings me onto the next game.





GERMANY V PORTUGAL




Gav: God this is boring. I can see what Germany are trying to do but Portugal obviously don’t want them to do it. The bored me wants some goals in the last 25 minutes of this game, but the bigger-picture me is toying with the idea of Denmark still being leaders of the group by the end of the night. This would be good!





Michael: A chess match. Germany huffed and puffed, but couldn’t break down the Portuguese house till late in the game. It reminded me of Spain/Portugal from the last world cup, with a similar outcome. I want to bring one moment in particular, and contrast it to an earlier one. When Rommedahl was taken off for Denmark, he acted like a petulant child. Often time and time again, we see players act badly when things don’t go their way. Last night, Miroslav Klose, on his birthday, was about to be sent on as the hero to replace Gomez when Gomez scored the goal, and so got to stay on the pitch for five more minutes. What did Klose do when told to sit down again? Cheer on his team mates and shout encouragement to Mario Gomez. He is what we would call a class act.






Jon: Is there a more heartwarming sight in football than Cristiano Ronaldo sulking his way off the pitch? I think not. 



Younger fans will recall Germany as a thrilling attacking team. This was more like the Germany so many of us recall from the 80s and 90s – not particularly pretty, knocked out of their preferred shape but still finding a way to win. That knack’s something they’ve lost over the last sixteen years, the ten since Kahn and Ballack dragged them to a World Cup final if you’re generous. For much of the game this was like a chess match, Germany probing intelligently but rarely particularly threateningly against a well organised Portugese defence. But when their chance came they were ruthless, Gomez redeeming a so-so display with a fine header from a deflected cross and keeping himself on the field a few minutes longer in the process. The reaction of Klose, who was about to come on before the goal, shows a good team spirit in the German camp. Ronaldo’s typically showy leaving of the pitch at the end showed his frustration, understandable when the coach’s system doesn’t bring the best out of him but it’s hardly what his team needs after a defeat. As I feared in the previews, the Portugese seemed content to play for a draw and it nearly worked. Shame they didn’t open up earlier as their best passages of play came when trying to force the equaliser. They lack a striker and adventure and unless they can show a little bit more creativity look like they’re going home early. Their defenders were their best players (particularly the much justly maligned Pepe). 




Oh, and in the best player in the world debate that little fella who’s not done badly for Barca this season was busy scoring a hat trick against Brazil. Ronaldo’s had better nights… 




Three exciting games so far then and one tactical chess match. It’s all shaping up rather nicely and we’re yet to see the obvious pick of the first round matches.








Gav: p.s. Just as I'm sending this Germany have scored. I'm glad, they've deserved it, but meh, I was really starting to like the idea of Denmark being clear group toppers! :)








"We lacked pretty much everything in the first half, there was no general direction, as if no player wanted the ball. The build-up play was way too slow.

"There were none of the things we saw from this team in the past which led to Germany being hailed as a favourite in this competition."


Gunter Netzer





ROY ON RIO 



So Roy Hodgson tells the BBC Rio Ferdinand missed Euro 2012 as he’d “not have been in the first team, so it would be a wasted pick, and better used on a younger player for the experience.” Which, even if doubtful it was carried out in practice, as his official reason is exactly the type of thing people were calling for.



“England can do what Chelsea have done. There are a lot of similarities after all — new manager and key players missing through injury and suspension.”
Frank Lampard

“"Even in England teams try to play good passing football now. Norwich and Swansea have shown that mentalities are changing everywhere." Laurent Blanc

“"I think it will be a beautiful victory for les Bleus. I see a double from Benzema or, at least, I’m hoping for that."
Saha


The mind games have started... 



"I would have taken it, but I was never approached. I love club football. I was relieved I didn't get offered it."
Harry Redknapp honestly didn’t want the England job, he tells us with his face falling faster than Droopy.





GERMANS IN WAITING
Holland losing their first game, next up for them is Germany. There may be trouble ahead.



“The Dutch may kick off against Germany knowing that only a win will keep them in the tournament – a match that needs no more spice now promises to be hotter than a vindaloo on Mercury.”
Jon



We are ahead of schedule when it comes to the last two Euros also. In 2004, seven goals were scored in four games. In 2008, six. In 2012, we have nine!



Greece 1-1 Spain, England 1-2 France, Croatia 2-2 France, Croatia 2-4 England, Sweden 1-1 Italy, Denmark 2-2 Denmark, Bulgaria 1-2 Italy, Latvia 1-2 Czech, Holland 1-1 Germany, Czech 3-2 Holland, Czech 2-1 Germany, Portugal 2-2 England.

Switzerland 1-2 Turkey, Turkey 3-2 Czech, Poland 1-1 Austria, Romania 1-1 Italy, Greece 1-2 Spain, Croatia 1-1 Turkey, Turkey 2-3 Germany.




Why am I listing random Euro results? Because all of the matches above are the only times in the last two Championships when the team who scored first didn’t win the match. And of those, only ten in sixty-two games led to points dropped (though of the 3 knockout ties, the team who made the comeback won the tie each time). What this means is that for all we love stirring comebacks and talk fondly of them, they are very much the exception to the rule. 


It is massively important to score first in the tournament, unless you become a “comeback” team like Turkey or have exceptional attacking quality like the Czechs in 2004. Both exceptions to the rule which artificially extend those 10 in 62. 

The point is that it wont only be me who notices this. Managers certainly will. So when you wonder why so many games become chess matches at the Euros and World Cup, look above. The first goals a killer. 



And no one wants to wind up in Check Mate.


With those cheery words, as your friendly asthmatic enjoys his latest doze of hayfever as much as a shark enjoys a septic tank, have fun with Ireland/Croatia, Spain/Italy, Ukraine/Sweden. And that other match. I hear it's a dull one between no hopers. Heh.


(All football people quotes sourced from Goal.com)

Thursday, 7 June 2012

Euro 2012 roundtable #5: Group D


Euro 2012 Roundtable #5
Group D preview.






Group D





Thoughts on England?




Michael: *puts on Scotland cap*





“We’re representing Britain so we’ve got to do or die, and England cannae dae it, coz they didnae qualify...”




Those lines will never be repeated.





Actually, I don’t mind the English. They’re no a bad bunch, on the whole. Not as good as Scots, naturally, but nobodys perfect. Heh. 




"England could be playing at tiddlywinks and I'd cheer on the opposition."
Granda George, c2004



I want to cheer on England in tournaments. I really do. Well, I didn’t in 2004. But in 2006, certainly. Until about 5 minutes into their first game. And again in 2010. They are just so dull. Which is annoying, as when I hated them, they were involved in thrillers. The Portugal Quarterfinal in 2004 comes to mind. Now I have grown to have a grudging acceptance of them – the grudging part is due to not having STV cover the ITV part of the Euros – they’ve gotten shit.






Clearly this is a master tactic. I should grudgingly accept Brazil next.





ITV: “choose the man who shed a tear, he is one of you.” Oh do sod off, you terrible tv channel. Jingoism TV will make it hard to support England. As will the love story between the pundits and utterly unenjoyable figures like Ashley Cole, John Terry and Wayne Rooney. Rooney returning from suspension to walk right into another red card almost seems written in the stars.




And yet, England seem to be doing everything they can to get me to like them. They’ve only signed Roy Hodgson as their manager, who I am a big fan of.




Hodgson's had good successes at Halmstads, Malmo, Neuchatel, Switzerland (he got them to third in the FIFA rankings), Inter, Kobenhavn, Finland and Fulham.




The interesting bit from his history is that every single job he's taken (except Blackburn and Liverpool) he has raised them from their current position, some to uncharted heights, some to positions of recovery where someone else can come in and reap the reward. If that history continues...




Jon will attest I’ve defended him enough times. As a Liverpool fan, it is awfie kind of Jon to have held back from lamping me over it too!




They also have a wonderful young striker named Welbeck, who I quite like too. And quite a few young players coming through the ranks who seem nice enough, and far better raw talents than the so called Golden Generation.




Its hard to call how they’ll do. The blatant English way would be to lose to France, draw Sweden, narrowly beat Ukraine and then go down in a blaze of glory to Spain. A potential Italy/England quarterfinal could finally answer that age old question: who is worse at penalties, Italy or England? Of course, to do either scenario, they need to get through the group. And its a group that has got trickier as time gets nearer.





Dave Beattie: Thoughts on England? I really like Roy Hodgson & hope he succeeds as England manager but I - & more importantly I suspect the players - would probably have been more excited & possibly galvanised (again the players not me) by a Redknapp appointment. I guess with expectations so low England could still have a decent tournament - but with Wilshere still injured & Walcott still flattering to deceive it's hard to imagine the other players added to the ageing remnants of our supposed Golden Generation exceeding recent limited achievements.





Jon: Let’s run through the modern England manual on how to prepare for a major tournament. Firstly make sure your best forward is subject to a ban thanks to a daft sending off in the last qualifier. Then, after telling your expensively hired foreign manager with an immaculate pedigree that he can’t have a player as captain but can still pick him, be shocked when he decides that constitutes unacceptable interference in his post and leaves with no obvious successor in sight. Then dally over the search for his successor and give him just over a month to prepare a team for a major tournament. While you’re at it, introduce an artificial limitation which lurches back to having to appoint an Englishman as manager and effectively leaves a field of two rather than actually conducting a wide ranging search for the best candidates.



Can’t fail, name on the trophy already.



All that’s contributed to a distinct lack of the usual enthusiasm for the team’s chances – whilst Capello may not have been overly popular, Roy Hodgson’s hardly a manager whose teams fire the imagination with great excitement. It’ll likely be his traditional, very English methods, hard work on the training ground, two banks of four and plenty more hard work for the centre forward receiving long balls, not for them the fantasy of tiki taka or the organised beauty of the Germans. And then there’s the final hurrah for the remnant of the Golden Generation – Lampard and Barry have been forced out through injury but Cole, Terry and Gerrard provide the last links to what can be seen to be better, more positive times. That aside it’s a largely risk free selection, only the enforced call up of Jack Butland, England’s Under 20 World Cup star last summer, and the exciting Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain provide a hint of risk. Early friendlies don’t encourage much hope, although they resulted in 1-0 wins England were quite happy to cut their amount of possession as much as David Cameron’s government cuts public services. An austerity team for an austerity nation then.









Gav: The MOST insular squad of the lot. All the players play in England. I guess that means the English league is the best/worst (delete as appropriate) in the world. They have Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, both of whom are a product of Southampton’s mighty youth system. “The Ox” is only 18 but he plays with a maturity that Walcott can only dream of.



I’m so glad to see that Gerrard is finally England captain. I think he’s deserved it for years but has been overlooked for that big alleged racist John Terry. The squad looks very pedestrian, but when I try to think of improvements I can’t really see any. I’d love to see Carroll have a great tournament.






Keld, Denmark: An interesting mix of experience and young starlets. Probably not a bad choice to pick Hodgson, who knows how to control the small teams, who are not expected to win it all Hopefully he will realize that fielding both Lampard and Gerrard in a 4-4-2 is not going to win England any major tournaments. John Terry will need to improve his form if England is to stand any chance.






Joao Diogo Reis: England qualified easily, in a hard group: Montenegro, Switzerland, Wales and Bulgaria aren’t small teams. They did it undefeated. 


So, they are back to the European Championship, after missing Euro 2008. Once again they are in France’s group; once again their first game will be against France. 


In 1992, they were also in France and Sweden’s group – they were eliminated. 


They were in Sweden’s group in the 2002 and 2006. In both occasions they progressed from the group stages, alongside the Swedes. 


They will be upset because Rooney is suspended for the first two games. But do they really miss him? Was he in the 2006 and 2010 World Cups? I know that I scored as many goals as he did in these tournaments, and I didn’t even had to travel to Germany and South Africa. 

England never won a European Championship, and although they like to consider themselves one of Europe’s big football nations, they are only 9th in the European Championships all-time table.



Michael Note: Someone praised Wales in this series, and it *wasn’t* Jon? Bloody hell, thats a turn up for the books!




Thoughts on France?



Michael: This century they have shown a great aptitude for crashing out in the group stage of things. Which I suppose is one step better than Scotland, who have shown the same aptitude for not qualifying for things. That said, Laurent Blanc almost has the easiest job in the entire tournament. I’ve never seen French football at a lower international ebb, confidence wise, and there’s almost nothing he could do that would make his tournament go worse than a Domenech one. But for a Zidane moment of madness, Raymond Domenech might have won the World Cup. That’s a scary thought. I think its widely accepted France have a long way to go to be a force again, and this is a stepping stone in that direction. Even bullish UEFA President Platini doesn’t rate them. I don’t think they’ll go far in the tournament. That twenty game winning streak has hidden some weak performances, and they still have the issue of Evra, who seems determined to gift chances to the opposition these days. I suspect if it goes, and early to England, the usual infighting will start up. There are still traces of the Domenech camp in Team France, Blanc needs to axe them all before he can start properly afresh.






Dave Beattie: Thoughts on France? Probably at least as poor as England in South Africa & they seemed to struggle a bit in qualifying for this tournament too. But Blanc seems to have been working his magic slowly but surely & there is a huge amount of talent in the team so could be relative dark horses.






Gav: They have a good side but I don’t see them doing too well this year. I have nothing insightful to say here, sorry. Moving on... 



Michael: Never stopped ITV.




Gav: Friends DONT compare friends to ITV, you know. 



Michael: I’m so sorry.





Jon: How to head into a tournament in a positive frame of mind – have your coach publicly say your aim is just to win one game, then add one of your country’s finest ever players, Euro 84 hero and UEFA president Michel Platini dismiss everyone bar Benzema and Ribery as average. And qualifying? Well it hardly matter how you get there, but scraping ahead of Bosnia-Herzegovina hardly counts as impressive. It isn’t exactly going in with the confident swagger of Euro 2000, rather one of a team who haven’t won a game at a tournament since Zidane did to Materazzi what plenty of other players would have liked to.



But then you look at recent results which Blanc seems to be hoping won’t be noticed… France arrive with a twenty game unbeaten run behind them. They’ve forgotten how to lose. And while Gourcuff’s absence deprives them of one of their best creative players it shows that Blanc has one eye on avoiding the shenanigans that blighted their campaign in South Africa . Blanc’s modest ambitions conceal the quality of a work in progress – M’Vila and Nasri are capable of loading bullets and Benzema and Ribery more than capable of firing them.






Keld, Denmark: They have been slow and predictable on the pitch, and exciting off the pitch in the last two tournaments. This time they should probably try to switch those two things around. Franck Ribéry will have to step up as the offensive creator; a role he hasn’t fulfilled lately on the national side.




Joao Diogo Reis: France was eliminated at the group stages in Euro 2008 and the 2010 World Cup. They couldn’t win a single game in these tournaments. 


They finally fired Domenech, now Blanc in in charge, and Les Bleus have a new aura. 


This time they shouldn’t have a tournament as bad as the last two: 1 draw followed by 2 defeats in both.
Blanc selected 11 players that never played a major tournament, plus two who weren’t in the 2010 WC infamous squad (Nasri and Benzema). 


Maybe after this tournament France will regain its place as one of Europe’s and the World’s strongest teams. At the moment there are still doubts about how good they really are: unlike England, France’s qualifying group wasn’t particularly difficult, and they even needed a penalty kick in the last game to tie with Bosnia and avoid the playoffs. At least the penalty kick was honest, unlike their qualification for South Africa 2010.





Thoughts on Sweden?




Jon: By contrast to England’s chaos and France’s long faces the Swedes come in to the tournament unruffled, only sweating on whether Johan Elmander will be fit or not. They ensured qualification as best runners-up, beating the previously unbeaten Dutch 3-2 in the final game to secure their spot. Key men Kallstrom and Ibrahimovic have had fine seasons, as, more quietly, has Seb Larsson at Sunderland. If qualification is anything to go by you can consign the stereotype of flat-pack efficiency to the dustbin too, the Swedes scoring plenty during qualifying. As ever, they’ll be awkward opposition and won’t be fazed by the intimidating prospect of kicking off against the co-hosts.





Michael: Sweden are a side I ruled out in my mind long ago, and then I saw their squad announced. It is an interesting mix of old and young, newer names alongside older warhorses. In Ibrahimovic, they have one of the more mercurial talents in Europe. When his head is on straight, every defence in the world would have to worry. The worrying sign is that this season, his head HAS Been on straight. All of their key players have had good personal club seasons and their confidence will be high. The win over Holland which qualified them seemed to see the genesis of a newer, brave, attack minded Sweden which is a joy to witness. It also saw the world stage appearance of Ola Toivonen, a man I saw many times covering the Europa League last year. A fine talent. The defence is where they are shakiest. It may need to be a case of “we’ll score four if you score three” and if they can pull that off, they’ll have a world of Sweden fans before long. So rule them out at your peril, if the cards fall in the right way, they could be dark horses for the whole thing.







Keld, Denmark: They have plenty of options in the striking department with Elmander, Tovionen, and Rosenberg all hoping to partner up with Zlatan Ibrahimović up front. The problems lie further back on the pitch where 34-year old Olof Mellberg and 35-year old Anders Svensson are expected to lead the defence and midfield respectively.








Gav: Not bad. They certainly have what it takes to finish above England. Lets hope they don’t though.




Joao Diogo Reis: Sweden is back to a major tournament, after missing the 2010 World Cup.
They were the best runner up from all the qualifying groups, so they qualified directly to Euro 2012, avoiding playoffs. 


4 years ago they won their first game (against title holders Greece) and then lost the following two (against Spain and Russia) and were eliminated. This time, they may repeat this sequence. First game against Ukraine should be the easiest, but then, against England and France, it should be a lot more complicated. Sweden’s weak defense should have a lot of problems to stop Walcott, Gerrard, Young, Ribéry, Nasri, Malouda, etc
They have a lot of players who will be having their debut in a major tournament (12), but they also have players with a lot of experience. Mellberg will be playing is 4th consecutive European Championship.





Dave Beattie: Thoughts on Sweden? Always seem to play England. The games never seem particularly memorable. 1994 - when they played in one of my favourite World Cup games (vs Romania) seems like a long time ago. Perhaps because it is a long time ago...





Thoughts on Ukraine, the co-hosts?





Jon: As with Poland it’s difficult to judge – we simply can’t say how good Ukraine will be in a competitive game. The lack of competitive matches over the last couple of years has seen their ranking sink to 50th in the world, but it’s a false position. That said, the rankings don’t lie so badly that they’re not the outsiders for qualification with the other three teams in the group in the world’s top 20. That’s before we reach the goalkeeping crisis, with injuries and drug bans combining to rule three keepers, including first choice Shokovsky out – as a result two of the three keepers in the squad are uncapped and. The sentimentalist in me hopes for a fine swansong for the man who was the best striker around before Chelsea got hold of him, Andrei Shevchenko but it’s difficult to see someone at the very end of his career can provide the spark up front to take his country through. If they were to finish third with one win they’d be doing well, to qualify for the quarter finals and beyond should see them as national heroes.





Gav: I recently went to Kiev, it was quite nice.





Dave Beattie: Thoughts on Ukraine, the co-hosts? I'm still finding it hard to forgive them for their part in THAT World Cup game with Switzerland. At least the Swiss bought some forgiveness by producing the likes of Ben Khalifa, Xhaka & Shaqiri when the Swiss won the U17 World Cup in 2009. (Wow - was that really 3 years ago...) Sorry digressing... Possibly because I've got little to say about Ukraine except that considering the opposition gives me a little more hope for England...





Keld, Denmark: They stand a decent chance of proceeding in the tournament. They will try to be tight in the back with a lot of responsibility at Bayern veteran Tymoschuk, while hoping that the flair of Yarmolenko and Milevskiy will be enough offensively.





Joao Diogo Reis: Ukraine was an impressive World Cup quarter finalist in 2006, but since then they missed the next two major tournaments, and only qualified again to Euro 2012 as hosts. They’ll be the only debutant in the European Championships (if we ignore that they were part of the USSR). 



They have a big Dynamo Kiev legion (9 of the 23 players in their squad)… Players that this season’s Europa League couldn’t even defeat Maccabi Tel-Aviv or Stoke City! 


The rest of the players aren’t impressive either. 


6 years ago, although Ukraine reached the quarter finals, they did it by defeating non-European opponents (Saudi Arabia and Tunisia). They also eliminated Switzerland after a penalty shootout, but they were trashed by Spain and Italy (0-4 and 0-3 respectively). 


They’ll be playing at home, but Austria and Switzerland were also playing at home 4 years ago, and that hasn’t helped them much.



Should Rooney go to the Euros?


Michael: Yes, in the right frame of mind, Rooney is a valuable asset to England. The problem is his head can go down when things start to go wrong, and he has the red mist that even Cantona would frown at. It wouldn’t be beyond him to get sent off again, but nor would it to produce a hattrick in the crunch Ukraine game. Like with Balotelli though, you can’t afford not to bring your mercurial forwards, even if you want to strangle them half the time!





Jon:

If you mean should he have had his ban reduced then no. If you mean should England pick a man who will potentially play only one game then yes. He’s clearly the most talented of England’s creative players and the one most likely to provide an unexpected moment of quality that could decide a tight game.



Better question – should John Terry go? Heh heh heh…




Michael: No, he shouldn’t have.







Gav: Nope. I’d feel bad if Carroll puts in a couple of really nice performances and then gets dropped the second that Rooney is eligible to play again.





Joao Diogo Reis: It depends. If England plans to play 3 games and come home, no. It doesn’t make sense to select a player who will be unavailable for 2/3 of the games. However, if they play to go further, ultimately reaching the final, then being unavailable for 2 games doesn’t look so bad anymore. 



Oscar Tabárez had the same problem with Cristián Rodríguez two years ago. He was suspended for the first two games, and Tabárez opted for not selecting him. What could be seen as lack of ambition (he thought that he would return home quickly), but Uruguay ended up going all the way until the top 4, thus playing 7 games.






Keld, Denmark: Andy Caroll is (probably rightfully) England’s first choice without him, so off course he should go.





Players to watch out for?



Michael: For people who haven’t seen him yet, and this blog gets much world wide traffic so thats beyond the realm of possibility, Welbeck is quite the talent. Yarmolenko would be the obvious choice for the Ukraine, and he does seem tipped to lead their line for the foreseeable decade, but beyond him, I suggest keeping an eye on Butko who is earning plaudits in UEFAs own Euro preview. Naturally, for the Swedes, look out for Toivonen. He is brilliant. During the Iceland game, he got fouled, stayed on his feet, nearly fouled the man who fouled him and just about kept the ball, getting a free kick for Sweden in the process. Impact player. He also scored. Also Pontus Wernbloom, because he has a wonderful moniker And for the French, Giroud. He is moving to Bayern Munich. He just won the title with Montpellier. Lets see what he can do in his first major tournament..





Jon: I’ve yet to see Yarmolenko, but he’s displaced Voronin (not hard say some English pundits) and has been given the pressure of being called the ‘new Shevchenko’. No pressure then, but an enticing prospect. Kallstrom will be the creative hub of the Swedes and obviously there’s that quite useful striker of theirs who collects league champions medals like Joey Barton picks up suspensions. The Man United pairing of Wellbeck and Young look to England’s best hope of sparks in Rooney’s absence, though Roy Hodgson’s style means you can probably look for the ball on to Andy Carroll’s forehead as the key tactic. And for France, if fit, M’Vila’s rarely dull to watch.





Dave Beattie:
England. Is it fantasy to dream of Walcott doing in several big games here what he did against Croatia back in 2008?



Michael: Almost certainly.



Dave Beattie:France. The player I know least in France's likely starting XI is Yann M'Vila of Rennes - a defensive midfielder who will be 22 during the tournament. I liked Blaise Matuidi when he was at Saint-Etienne & it's interesting to see a goal-getter from Montpellier - Olivier Giroud - in the squad too.

Sweden. I enjoy a Seb Larsson free kick. If he doesn't take them Rasmus Elm of Az could be one to watch - in open play too.

Ukraine. Taking something of a pinsticker's approach - 5 goals in 15 international games from midfield for 22 year old Yevhen Konoplyanka of Dnipro looks impressive. Will also be interesting to see how Bohdan Butko - apparently first choice right back - does at international level given he can't get into Shakhtar's first team.




Gav: Andy Carroll. He will finally justify that big price tag. In case anyone wasn’t aware that Liverpool paid a lot of money for him?

Michael: 35 million, I heard.

Gav: Yes.

Michael: You could get 35 Helder Postigas for that.

Gav: I think we got the equivalent.





Joao Diogo Reis: Young - important player for England, with 3 goals and 3 assists in the qualifiers. Relatively unknown until this season, where he had his Champions League debut and now will play his first major tournament
M’Vila – We’ll see if he can live up to the expectation of “wonder defensive midfielder”
Toivonen – scored the winning goal against Holland that qualified Sweden to Euro 2012. Despite that, and several appearances and goals for PSV in the Europa League, he isn’t certain of a starting XI place… but can be one of the options used by Sweden during the matches.
Yarmolenko – his role can be crucial for Ukraine (helping to form a midfield 4 when the team defends, but also supporting the forwards when the team attacks)





Keld, Denmark: Gary Cahill’s brave defending helped Chelsea to their miraculous Champions League win, and although the defensive work won’t be of the same quantity, his high level of quality will be needed in the English back four.
In the absence of Sagna, Lille’s Mathieu Debuchy will start at right back and could earn himself a move to a top club if he can take his great club form into this tournament.
Sebastian Larsson’s precise free kicks and crosses from the right wing will be one of Sweden’s most dangerous weapons.
Andriy Shevchenko will probably not start, but he will be the talisman of this Ukrainian side, and he could still have an impact off the bench.



Michaels Note: Between editing this and posting, Gary Cahill has been ruled out of the Euros with a broken jaw. A blow for England.




Are we (as in nearly everyone) wrong to discount Sweden in this group?
NB: This question was asked in April, before I got the teams in and did a complete 180.




Michael: I said in March they were the side I was most counting out of the tournament. So what do they do? They only go and name the most attacking line up in their history, and announce they are having a go at the tournament, because “why not?”. All of their top players have come off good personal seasons at club level. They have break through stars, goals in the team, and nothing to lose. Suddenly it doesn’t look so one sided a group.





Gav: To discount Sweden would be to make the assumption that England are better than them. So no, I will not discount Sweden.





Jon: The question should be if we’re right to count England in.





Michael: I notice neither of you are counting France out. To be fair to the French, they do have form for leaving tournaments early these days.





Keld, Denmark: I think this is a quite equal group, so I think it will be wrong to discount them.





Joao Diogo Reis: Maybe… But Sweden’s defense seems too weak to stand a chance against the opponents that it will meet.





Dave Beattie: Probably not - though I'd discount Ukraine at least as much if they weren't hosts. And England could really be anything - from gallant losing semi-finalists to "worse than 1988" - so discounting Sweden might prove foolish purely due to the flaws of others.

Attack-minded is good to know though. I like attack-minded teams. Though I hope I don't live to regret it from an English perspective







Pick of the group? 






Michael: France v Sweden as it may be pivotal to who advances, and could produce an almighty shock.





Jon: Ukraine-Sweden should be worth watching to experience the atmosphere of the co-hosts’ first game but from a footballing point of view the most promising game looks to be France-Sweden. Follow the Swedes for the fun in this group then…





Dave Beattie: Pick of the group? I'm already feeling nervous at the thought of watching any competitive game involving England but lets be positive & say that the opening game vs France ought to be the best. At least there the quality of the opposition potentially limits the disappointment of defeat.





Gav: France vs England?




Joao Diogo Reis: England vs. Ukraine – the return of Rooney




Keld also picked England v Ukraine for the same reason.





Who will qualify?



Dave Beattie: France and less comfortably England




Jon: France and Sweden




Michael: England and Sweden




Gav: France and England.




Joao Diogo Reis: France and England




Alan Kalder: England and France




Keld, Denmark: Ukraine and England




France 5/7

England 6/7

Sweden 2/7

Ukraine 1/7




Which means only Ireland had no votes for them getting to a Quarterfinal. Its the tightest Euros in some time. Me and Jon both went for the Swedish gamble. Will it pay off? Watch this space. Or preferably the games. If you watch this space then, you’ll miss the matches. Which will almost certainly be AS exciting as this space right here. I know. Thrilling.




The bonus question. Seriously, the random Stats and stuff is the bit people seem to like best.


Gav: You keep bigging up these random stats but I never have any. The people I met in Kiev don’t like football.


Michael: I’m shocked Anders Svensson exists, and is IN the Swedish squad, and Gav hasn’t made any Southampton references. Beyond shocked. Slipping standards here. If Pekharts winning the tournament for once sitting on a Saints bench, what is Svensson doing after taking them to an FA Cup final? Getting deified next Monday? 

Gav: WTF! He's still playing? I thought his legs would've given up by now!


Michael: He's still playing.


Gav: Oh... my... god! I deserve all the piss taking I can get for that one. He was one of my favourite players too!

Michael: Anders Svensson, ladies and gentlemen, earning the Freedom of Estonia in a ceremony next weekend.




Jon: Bad news for Sweden – no country’s ever done a Euros/Eurovision double before.




Michael: Actually, pedant here, but Greece won the 2004 Euros and followed it up with the 2005 Eurovision. Which is a double of sorts.


And that was the group D preview!